Comments on: iPhone iNsecurities… http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/ Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:22:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: cosmix http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-23396 cosmix Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:43:37 +0000 http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/#comment-23396 Heh, I think you're exaggerating here Kosti. It's not price discrimination, and it definitely isn't anything like First class/economy. If anything, it'd be something like passenger/stowaway. Nevertheless, one thing's for sure: Sony wouldn't do this for the reasons I explained above. It'd go against their corporate culture/image and makes no sense given their pricing strategy. You, of all people, should know this, given the GBs of rants at spitaki :D Heh, I think you’re exaggerating here Kosti. It’s not price discrimination, and it definitely isn’t anything like First class/economy. If anything, it’d be something like passenger/stowaway. Nevertheless, one thing’s for sure: Sony wouldn’t do this for the reasons I explained above. It’d go against their corporate culture/image and makes no sense given their pricing strategy. You, of all people, should know this, given the GBs of rants at spitaki :D

]]> By: kostis http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-23395 kostis Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:53:01 +0000 http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/#comment-23395 Actually it's called price discrimination. Think first class/economy. It could very well make tons of sense, but as I said, i doubt it happened in that case. Actually it’s called price discrimination. Think first class/economy. It could very well make tons of sense, but as I said, i doubt it happened in that case.

]]> By: cosmix http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-23392 cosmix Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:24:48 +0000 http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/#comment-23392 Errr no I didn't. Yet you're right, my comment was confusing. If Sony wants to, they can control the prices for the games on the PS. They always could. When PS1 came out, a large part of the games were either developed or distributed by Sony. The same thing more or less happened with PS2 in 2000. The game development industry is very competitive and Sony more or less cut its own niche from it. It had both the money and the clout that would allow it to market high quality games cheaper. It didn't have the will. I remember than when PS1 came out the title prices were much higher than the competition. This was a conscious decision by Sony. Even at the beginning. Leaking 'hacks' to allow for game copying would be stupid and somewhat pointless, given that both consoles dominated the market relatively soon after their release. Now with the PS3, I don't know. I might be willing to accept something like this, but a) atma's comment referred to PS1 and 2, b) it would be a sign of desperation, not a sane marketing move. Anyway that's getting a bit off-topic. Errr no I didn’t. Yet you’re right, my comment was confusing. If Sony wants to, they can control the prices for the games on the PS. They always could. When PS1 came out, a large part of the games were either developed or distributed by Sony. The same thing more or less happened with PS2 in 2000. The game development industry is very competitive and Sony more or less cut its own niche from it. It had both the money and the clout that would allow it to market high quality games cheaper. It didn’t have the will. I remember than when PS1 came out the title prices were much higher than the competition. This was a conscious decision by Sony. Even at the beginning. Leaking ‘hacks’ to allow for game copying would be stupid and somewhat pointless, given that both consoles dominated the market relatively soon after their release. Now with the PS3, I don’t know. I might be willing to accept something like this, but a) atma’s comment referred to PS1 and 2, b) it would be a sign of desperation, not a sane marketing move. Anyway that’s getting a bit off-topic.

]]> By: kostis http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-23390 kostis Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:45:43 +0000 http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/#comment-23390 Uh, I think you completely missed atma's point re: Sony. He's saying that Sony supposedly 'leaked' hacks of the PS1 and PS2, which allowed for the use of pirated games, so that low-income or low-willingness-to-pay consumers would have a use for the console despite high prevailing prices for its games. Which might make sense now, but didn't at all when it was first introduced, as these consoles make a loss (with the exception of the Wii) for quite a while, and the whole point is that the manufacturer makes money off the games. Uh, I think you completely missed atma’s point re: Sony.

He’s saying that Sony supposedly ‘leaked’ hacks of the PS1 and PS2, which allowed for the use of pirated games, so that low-income or low-willingness-to-pay consumers would have a use for the console despite high prevailing prices for its games.

Which might make sense now, but didn’t at all when it was first introduced, as these consoles make a loss (with the exception of the Wii) for quite a while, and the whole point is that the manufacturer makes money off the games.

]]> By: cosmix http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-23389 cosmix Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:18:15 +0000 http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/#comment-23389 You've completely missed the point of the post, atma. This is all about Jobs citing security as the reason behind Apple's decision to keep the iPhone closed and at the same time having all application software on the device run as root, which is --- to put it mildly --- utterly stupid, dangerous and, last but not least, somewhat hypocritical on behalf of Apple. Regarding Sony, I think this is nonsense. If Sony wants to provide cheap games, Sony makes a deal with a small game developer. You’ve completely missed the point of the post, atma. This is all about Jobs citing security as the reason behind Apple’s decision to keep the iPhone closed and at the same time having all application software on the device run as root, which is — to put it mildly — utterly stupid, dangerous and, last but not least, somewhat hypocritical on behalf of Apple.

Regarding Sony, I think this is nonsense. If Sony wants to provide cheap games, Sony makes a deal with a small game developer.

]]> By: atma http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/comment-page-1/#comment-23388 atma Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:38:05 +0000 http://blog.cosmix.org/2007/10/23/iphone-insecurities/#comment-23388 I don't believe that the locking effort was big enoug to avoid this. I believe that Apple knew that this would happen and although apparently dislike it, it did not realy wanted to avoid this. Because an unlocked iPhone is "illegal" (nobody knows what apple aggred and signed with AT&T in their contract) but on the other hand is a device with real potential. Of course as your already wrote in a previous article, the N810 made Apple's decision to release an SDK a one-way street. But then again, that's better for us. I've heard that the Sony PS2 and PS1 were cracked by Sony and not by hackers. Sony, wanted to win more market share, by providing "cheap games" to it's users. I don’t believe that the locking effort was big enoug to avoid this. I believe that Apple knew that this would happen and although apparently dislike it, it did not realy wanted to avoid this. Because an unlocked iPhone is “illegal” (nobody knows what apple aggred and signed with AT&T in their contract) but on the other hand is a device with real potential. Of course as your already wrote in a previous article, the N810 made Apple’s decision to release an SDK a one-way street. But then again, that’s better for us.
I’ve heard that the Sony PS2 and PS1 were cracked by Sony and not by hackers. Sony, wanted to win more market share, by providing “cheap games” to it’s users.

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